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Old 05-15-19, 08:06 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Jungle Carpet Python: Transitioning From Live To Frozen/Thawed

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MDT -- thank you immensely for being so quick and thorough in your replies: definitely much appreciated! Understood about leaving the mouse out overnight being ok -- and yeah I'm pretty confident in my ability to tell if she's losing weight. Still, I might buy the scale just to be sure. I do currently attempt feedings weekly so I'm already on the 7-8 day schedule.

Four days after I first got her -- and this is the strange thing -- she ate 3 F/T mouse pinks right off the bat. So that's the frustrating thing: I *know* she can do it! (Apparently, she just has to get hungry enough.) But yes, true about the rat issue: the latest word from the breeder (just last night) was that I should be starting her on rat pinks, so good call on that. Thank you also for the compliment for her: she's a looker, right?

Also, very true on the level of the prey thing: I find she strikes far more often if the mouse is close to the ground as opposed to dangling in the air. A bit more on what my breeder recommended last night: he suggested I get a 24oz deli cup, put the snake in there, close the perforated lid, and lay the prey on top of the lid. He said this is because he'd like to see the feeding space minimized and she'll also be smelling the rat this whole time, hopefully making her all the more hungry.

Do you have any thoughts on this?
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I have never used a trick like that before. However, it's not a bad idea to thaw the rat near the enclosure. I leave my frozen items out in the snake area and they are all hungry and hunting by the time it's thawed out.
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Cool -- thank you for that confirmation, Aaron_S. And thank you for being a kickass moderator and approving my earlier posts with a quickness. I appreciate everyone's help on here more than words.
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Cool -- thank you for that confirmation, Aaron_S. And thank you for being a kickass moderator and approving my earlier posts with a quickness. I appreciate everyone's help on here more than words.
I appreciate the compliment but I am NOT the mod who approves all the posts lol. I can't be bothered and someone else does it. I do the banning/warnings/etc.
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Old 06-07-19, 04:45 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Yikes -- sorry for the long delay, Aaron_S and sorry for mistaking you for the post-approval guy. I've truly appreciated all the help I've gotten here; it means a great deal.

So, again, thank you everyone. Some updates, however: I waited until 5/26 but then I gave in and fed her 3 live hoppers. The interesting thing was that she started with the first the same way she's been dumb striking the F/Ts: as if she wasn't sure of the thing before her and just kind of wanted it to go away. Hence, this reaffirmed what some of you have been saying, that she just needs to get in the groove, realize the F/T is edible prey, and then go for it. (She ate the successive 2 live ones immediately.)

Then I tried feeding her a rat pup a week ago and, of course, she didn't go for it since I've now reaffirmed her predilection for live. I did the heat lamp thaw for the pup with it on the lid of her small feeding tub and then also tried feeding her in her enclosure and then left it in there overnight. (She didn’t take it.)

I also got a digital scale as per your recommendations. She weighed 135g before the live feeding and then 152g after. I'm assuming that what I need to do is weigh her after her next shed and *then* see if she starts dropping weight. I'm thinking as long as she's not dropping weight, I can keep attempting the F/T feedings starting off with trying it in her enclosure -- and then if she doesn't do it there, try the feeding tub. (In other words, the reverse of what I did a week ago.) Does this sound like the right way to go?

I'm sorry this is so long but I’m just trying to be as detailed as possible. It's been 1 month and 21 days since she last shed and she doesn't yet seem to be going into another. Hence, my pressing question for right now is: do I go ahead with a few more live just to get her over the hump of her next shed and then, after that, do strictly F/T attempts while closely monitoring her weight?

Again, I really appreciate the help I've gotten so far and I'm definitely impressed some of you have dared read all (or at least most) of what I've written. You should have seen how this morning started off: I was handling her a bit and she's so vivacious and sprightly. You can just tell that she feels good -- and to me I have no greater responsibility than to keep her feeling this way.
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Yikes -- sorry for the long delay, Aaron_S and sorry for mistaking you for the post-approval guy. I've truly appreciated all the help I've gotten here; it means a great deal.

So, again, thank you everyone. Some updates, however: I waited until 5/26 but then I gave in and fed her 3 live hoppers. The interesting thing was that she started with the first the same way she's been dumb striking the F/Ts: as if she wasn't sure of the thing before her and just kind of wanted it to go away. Hence, this reaffirmed what some of you have been saying, that she just needs to get in the groove, realize the F/T is edible prey, and then go for it. (She ate the successive 2 live ones immediately.)

Then I tried feeding her a rat pup a week ago and, of course, she didn't go for it since I've now reaffirmed her predilection for live. I did the heat lamp thaw for the pup with it on the lid of her small feeding tub and then also tried feeding her in her enclosure and then left it in there overnight. (She didnít take it.)

I also got a digital scale as per your recommendations. She weighed 135g before the live feeding and then 152g after. I'm assuming that what I need to do is weigh her after her next shed and *then* see if she starts dropping weight. I'm thinking as long as she's not dropping weight, I can keep attempting the F/T feedings starting off with trying it in her enclosure -- and then if she doesn't do it there, try the feeding tub. (In other words, the reverse of what I did a week ago.) Does this sound like the right way to go?

I'm sorry this is so long but Iím just trying to be as detailed as possible. It's been 1 month and 21 days since she last shed and she doesn't yet seem to be going into another. Hence, my pressing question for right now is: do I go ahead with a few more live just to get her over the hump of her next shed and then, after that, do strictly F/T attempts while closely monitoring her weight?

Again, I really appreciate the help I've gotten so far and I'm definitely impressed some of you have dared read all (or at least most) of what I've written. You should have seen how this morning started off: I was handling her a bit and she's so vivacious and sprightly. You can just tell that she feels good -- and to me I have no greater responsibility than to keep her feeling this way.
I'd do that. i'd offer a few live meals and then offer a F/T meal again. Sometimes it takes a bit.
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Old 06-10-19, 03:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Thank you Aaron. I appreciate it, man.
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And for my Dumerils Boa and my Anthill/Pygmy Python...it never worked. My patience did have an end, and I've still got them, but they just won't take f/t.



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And for my Dumerils Boa and my Anthill/Pygmy Python...it never worked. My patience did have an end, and I've still got them, but they just won't take f/t.
That's a trip, Scubadiver59. I hope that's not the case for me because I really don't enjoy this process, that poor mouse *definitely* doesn't enjoy the process, and it's dangerous for my girl even though I monitor the feeding hyperclose. I mean, I know they do this all the time in the wild but snakes also often get bit in the wild and (more than) occasionally die in the wild. Did either your Boa or Python (or both) start to lose weight before you resumed feeding?

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Not so much my juvenile Dumerils but my Anthill did. I've tried off and on, going months w/o feeding, but to no avail. Maybe I'm just too softhearted...

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That's a trip, Scubadiver59. I hope that's not the case for me because I really don't enjoy this process, that poor mouse *definitely* doesn't enjoy the process, and it's dangerous for my girl even though I monitor the feeding hyperclose. I mean, I know they do this all the time in the wild but snakes also often get bit in the wild and (more than) occasionally die in the wild. Did either your Boa or Python (or both) start to lose weight before you resumed feeding?
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Not so much my juvenile Dumerils but my Anthill did. I've tried off and on, going months w/o feeding, but to no avail. Maybe I'm just too softhearted...
Believe me, I hear you Scubadiver59, so I'm going to approach this very methodically: I'm going to feed her live in a couple days to get her over this next shed. And then after the shed/poop, I'm going to take her weight with the super-precise digital scale like I've been doing every week now. And then I'm absolutely not going to feed her live again until the first sign of her losing weight. Up until that point, all I'm going to do is attempt F/T feedings.

She ate F/T right when I first got her after her trip from California 4 1/2 months ago, so I *know* she can do it. Plus, I figure I'm helping her by doing this -- not hurting her -- since, as noted, she can easily get bit during a live feeding.

So, that's the plan.

Side note: people are always saying how "terribly cruel" live feedings for constrictors are, but [1] they don't seem to recognize that this happens in the wild all the time, and [2] a live feeding is very risky for the snake as well since they are indeed quite vulnerable during the constriction process.

Venomous snakes have it easy.
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Believe me, I hear you Scubadiver59, so I'm going to approach this very methodically: I'm going to feed her live in a couple days to get her over this next shed. And then after the shed/poop, I'm going to take her weight with the super-precise digital scale like I've been doing every week now. And then I'm absolutely not going to feed her live again until the first sign of her losing weight. Up until that point, all I'm going to do is attempt F/T feedings.

She ate F/T right when I first got her after her trip from California 4 1/2 months ago, so I *know* she can do it. Plus, I figure I'm helping her by doing this -- not hurting her -- since, as noted, she can easily get bit during a live feeding.

So, that's the plan.

Side note: people are always saying how "terribly cruel" live feedings for constrictors are, but [1] they don't seem to recognize that this happens in the wild all the time, and [2] a live feeding is very risky for the snake as well since they are indeed quite vulnerable during the constriction process.

Venomous snakes have it easy.
I wouldn't worry about minor weight loss. I'd be looking at like 15 - 20% weight loss before I began to worry.
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I wouldn't worry about minor weight loss. I'd be looking at like 15 - 20% weight loss before I began to worry.
Oh cool. Ok understood & thank you for that, Aaron!
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I also wanted to clarify my closing statement earlier. Venomous snakes don't have it easy. No snake has it easy. But venomous serpents do seem to have it perhaps a bit easier than constrictors.
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