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Old 08-24-04, 04:32 AM   #57 (permalink)
Join Date: Jun-2004
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
Age: 37
Posts: 345
Originally posted by Linds
Hmmm... Canadians don't commute? My dad has a 1.5 hour (ALL highway) drive to work. A friend of mine has an hour drive to get to work, 6 days a week. Another friend of mine has to drive 2 hours. One of my ex's used to have to drive 1.5 hours to the initial place, then drive around from job site to job site the whole day. Mike has had several jobs in the past which he has had to commute. Most people I know either currently, or have had at some point, a job in which they had to commute. I've never had a job where I've had to drive more than 25 minutes to get there, so I'm probably one of the luckier ones that I know.
It's not that Canadians don't commute, but they don't commute nearly as much as Americans. Just like at the population densities; the vast majority of people who work in cities in Canada live within city limits. I can't say that about Toronto as I haven't spent nearly enough time there, but it's definitely the case in Vancouver and Montreal. Driving from Burnaby to Downtown Vancouver is a minor fraction of the commute from Olympia to Seattle. Not to mention, despite only needing to have 2 people in the car for the carpool lane, virtually nobody is ever in it in Seattle. It's just SUV after SUV of suburbanite.

Here's some statistics I dug up from

Very slow site though, so try not to cause a slashdot effect on it people :P

Anyway, for 2001, Liters per person
Canada: 1,189.8
United States: 1,623.8

Basically, we use 73% as much per person. Now, let's translate this into how much people are spending on gas:
1,189.8 x $0.845 = $1,005.38CDN
1,623.8 x $2.00(1.30) / 3.7854 = $1,115.31CDN
Canadian gas price from
United States gas price from,00.html

Alright, so we spend about $100CDN less on gas. That pays for a lot of rodents, especially if you breed your own... I don't have the patience to look up insurance right now as I'm about to go to bed, but I'm certain we spend hundreds if not thousands less.

Anyway, I'd have to come up with a lot more figures to demonstrate that it's cheaper to breed herps up here, but I think you can get some of the line of reasoning I'm coming from.

Now, I'm pretty certain that pastel ball pythons are cheaper up here... I'd assume most higher end herps would be, since although we have less poor up here, we also have much less rich, thus the market for the high end is much smaller, even proportionally to our overall population/market. Until the price difference covers the costs of CITES permits and additional shipping costs, I think that's reasonable.

Lower end herps on the other seem to cost a lot more here in general... For ones in shorter supply, that's understandable but for those that are not... you can see why some people will sell cheaper than the perceived "market price".

Now, I'm not saying breeders are making too much money or anything like that... but I bet a lot of us check the pricing on herps in the states and wonder why we have to pay more. So, if you're having trouble selling your herps, take a closer look at what your real costs are... for some herps, I bet you're making a tidier profit than you realize. For others, well, it's unfortunate that that's the case but as long as you're recovering costs, it's more about keeping the animals than selling them, right? Or perhaps it's time to start working with some other species...

Hope I'm not offending anyone... just presenting the other side of the coin.
1.0 Pastel Ball Python, 1.9 Normal Ball Pythons, 0.1 African House Snake, 1.0 Savannah Monitor, 0.0.1 Argentinian Horned Frog
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