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Old 10-21-02, 07:54 PM   #17 (permalink)
Nikki Gervais
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More often then not boas and pythons are the first to cause bylaws to spring up from concerned neighbors. However I have lived in my town for years (almost a decade) and it is well known by many that I have an interest in and keep large constrictors, crocodilians, and other potentially dangerous reptiles and invertebrates. Not once have I got a complaint or a warning. Why? Because I am a responsible keeper. No escapies, and beautiful healthy specimens.

Instead of worrying about what bylaws the few hot keepers are going to create, perhaps you should be more concerned about someone bringing their 5-ft blood or their 10-ft burm into their backyard. I'm sure my 80yr old neighbour would LOVE to see those.
Now Nikki, I believe u are a young lady, and im assuming ur probably not experienced enough to work with hots.
I'm not going to start an all out war over this however I feel that it is uncalled for stating that because I am young I do not have enough experience.
Do u know where you are gonna get the antivenom?
As of yet, no I do not have access to antivenin, hence why I do not keep any hots. Once I have access to antivenin I will start keeping them.
Do u have the tools to handle hots, do u have the skill and knowledge to be able to keep u, ur snake, ur family and ur neighbourhood safe?
I have some of the tools required, but I do not have all, another reason why I am not yet keeping them. I am not an immature keeper, and I do know the procedures and the dangers envolved in keeping hots. So yes, I have the knowledge to keep myself, my snake, my family and my neighbourhood safe.

However skills to work with hots are learned. I have plenty of skill, but there are some you can only aquire when working with hots. Working with nasty tempered, strike first, ask questions later species such as corallus hortulanus is a good way to learn some skills. However no matter what anyone says, you can not learn all necessary skills without hands on experience.

That is why you start out small, with species that are somewhat forgiving when compared to other more dangerous species. A starter hot such as agkistrodon piscivorous ssp are an excellent choice. They are known for their bad tempers and spazzy behavior.
I think if one was to keep hots your family should all know that they are potentially fatal, and should be taken very serious.
Do they know what to do if you get bitten, do they know what to do if they get bitten???
Anyone who doesn't realize that all hots are potentially lethal should not be working with them in the first place. As for a scenerio where someone gets bitten, everyone (my father and myself) know the procedures and will have the contact info for the antivenin and the nearest hospital. Until I have contact info, no hots of the viperidae, elapidae or any similar genera will be in my care.
When u go to change there substrate, and have to remove them from the cage, what happens if they get loose and crawl into a vent?
Its things like this that must be taken into consideration very seriously, and IMO no onw should keep hots unless they have a full proof facility.
When removing them from their cages, you are to place them in a holding cage or container and close the lid or doors properly, every hot keeper with half a brain knows that. If hot keepers practice safe handling and keeping procedures accidents can be avoided. Oh and just to let you know, there are no vents in my house, just electric plug-in wall heaters.

To myself and hundreds of other responsible hot keepers, their beauty IS worth the risk. For we know that when they are properly housed there is no risk of escape, when the proper tools are used there is minimal risk of envenomation. Anyone who goes out and buys hots because they are cool, needs to stick with cornsnakes. Those are the ppl that give other responsible keepers a bad name.


Now since this post was originally about what species others would get from Malaysia if they could, I thought I would mention that so far it looks good for 10 (most are rare) species listed. Only 2 are CITES II species, and those specimens are CB.
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