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Old 12-11-03, 05:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
Join Date: Dec-2002
Posts: 719
Angry A fellow Ssnakess member needs your help

First off, I am not going to mention the members name however I felt it was important that this be brought to your attention.

Here's the story,

This past summer he made an inquiry to obtain some box turtles from a "so-called breeder in the States. He provided the "breeder" with the necessary shipping details so that paperwork could be drawn up and to insure the legality of the shipment. Without further confirmation, the "breeder" shipped the turtles and provided a tracking number for UPS . The interesting part is no money was ever exchanged between the parties, no final approval was ever made and all of this was done on two emails with no voice confirmation and the deal was never solidified. It is my understanding that the shipment was seized at the border for a number of reasons.

1. Improper packing. These animals were shipped in socks and then thrown in a box and covered with candles
2. Improper value declaration
3. Shipping of WC species indigenous to a US region
4. Shippping of a controlled species
5. Shipping of live animals by improper means
6. Cruelty to animals

and who knows what else !!!!

The bottomline is he is now about to take it up the A$$ for something he did not have any knowledge of, until the act had been committed.

He is facing some very severe fines from both Fish and Wildlife in Canada and from Customs

Up to 10,000 dollars CDN fine from the Wildlife people (likely will end up around 5000-7000 dollars) along with a grounding meaning he will be unable to fly or cross the border for 7 years. All future shipments will also go on the watch list. It is not known what fines will be imposed by the customs people.

Under Canadian law, the importer is solely responsible for any shipments, legal or otherwise coming into Canada. He has been advised that legal counsel will likely end up costing more and is therefore being encouraged to plead guilty. He has therefore pled guilty to the charges as it appears to be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

If he wishes to come forward to add more I will let him do this on his own. But these are VERY serious charges that are not warranted and he is a good person not deserving of the situation.

The scary part is any A$$hole can ship anything to YOUR location, legal or not and if it gets picked up by the officials YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.

Personally this is going to make ME think twice about ordering ANYTHING or providing information to ANYONE outside of this country.

What is your slant on the situation and how do you think he should proceed? Needless to say he is really bummed out by all of this, and I am sure he could use your moral support and maybe your ideas on how he can get through this.

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