You know what?
Everyone keeps letting these ridiculous political discussions get out of hand and I wouldn't be surprised if one day the mods/owner decides "no more off topic posts"
That sure will be sad especially since some of us DON'T participate in these things, and we ENJOY other off topic posts.
I have said this before, but I am saying it again, members here are LUCKY they are even allowed ONE off topic post. Most forums hardly put up with any of them. Some worse than others. But here we are pretty much allowed to share non-herp things within reason. But I have no doubt one day this constant posting of war, politics and "american canadian" this and that will end all off topic posting for everyone.